[draft] Draft text on Init Systems GR

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From:		Sam Hartman <hartmans-AT-debian.org>
To:		debian-vote-AT-lists.debian.org
Subject:		[draft] Draft text on Init Systems GR
Date:		Thu, 07 Nov 2019 13:04:20 -0500
Message-ID:		<tslk18bd0m3.fsf@suchdamage.org>

This is a draft GR. I hope to be at a point where I could formally propose a GR in a week, assuming discussion converges that fast. At this point, the question is whether the choices that need to be on the ballot are represented in this draft GR. I did not obtain a review of this version from someone who favors init diversity. I didn't give them a lot of time, and they just wrote to let me know that they weren't going to be able to do a review this week. Based on the feedback from debian-devel I decided that getting text to the community now was the most important thing. If this text doesn't meet the needs of that community, we'll change the text. I hope my actions demonstrate that I've tried to work with and understand the needs of all sides here; that has been my intent. ---------------------------------------- version 2330c05afa4 Using its power under Constitution section 4.1 (5), the project issues the following statement describing our current position on Init systems, Init system diversity, and the use of systemd features. This statement describes the position of the project at the time it is adopted. That position may evolve as time passes without the need to resort to future general resolutions. The GR process remains available if the project needs a decision and cannot come to a consensus. Choice 1: Affirm Init Diversity Being able to run Debian systems with init systems other than systemd continues to be something that the project values. With one exception, the Debian Project affirms the current policy on init scripts and starting daemons (policy 9.3.2, 9.11). Roughly, packages should include init scripts to start services that are included. Policy notes that early boot services like those started from /etc/rcS.d may be tied closely to the init system in use. Init scripts are the lowest common denominator across all init systems. Packages may include support for init systems like systemd service units in addition to init scripts. Current policy makes it an RC bug to include a service unit without an init script. Policy editors are requested to amend policy; including a service unit without an init script is appropriate for a non-maintainer upload but should no longer be an RC bug. Policy editors are requested to consider whether there are cases where removing an init script that used to be provided should be RC because it would break a system on upgrade. Once the community of users of an alternate init system have said that a solution is sufficiently functional for them, others should not generally second guess this determination. Choice 2: systemd but we Support Exploring Alternatives The Debian project recognizes that systemd service units are the preferred configuration for describing how to start a daemon/service. However, Debian remains an environment where developers and users can explore and develop alternate init systems and alternatives to systemd features. Those interested in exploring such alternatives need to provide the necessary development and packaging resources to do that work. Technologies such as elogind that facilitate exploring alternatives while running software that depends on some systemd interfaces remain important to Debian. It is important that the project support the efforts of developers working on such technologies where there is overlap between these technologies and the rest of the project, for example by reviewing patches and participating in discussions in a timely manner. Packages should include service units or init scripts to start daemons and services. Packages may include support for alternate init systems besides systemd and may include alternatives for any systemd-specific interfaces they use. Maintainers use their normal procedures for deciding which patches to include. Debian is committed to working with derivatives that make different choices about init systems. As with all our interactions with downstreams, the relevant maintainers will work with the downstreams to figure out which changes it makes sense to fold into Debian and which changes remain purely in the derivative. Choice 3: systemd without Diversity as a Priority The Debian project recognizes that systemd service units are the preferred configuration for describing how to start a daemon/service. Packages should include service units or init scripts to start daemons and services. Providing support for multiple init systems or for alternatives to other interfaces provided by systemd is not a project priority at this time. Debian is committed to working with derivatives that make different choices about init systems. As with all our interactions with downstreams, the relevant maintainers will work with the downstreams to figure out which changes it makes sense to fold into Debian and which changes remain purely in the derivative. Packages may include support for alternate init systems besides systemd. Maintainers use their normal procedures for deciding which patches to include.

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